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29| Reconnecting with Your Womb: Ancient Wisdom for Modern Health with Erika Perez

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Fertility massage therapist Erika Perez shares her journey from marketing professional to womb care specialist, blending ancient Mayan techniques with modern support for fertility, painful periods, and reconnection with the body.

• Erica's career transformation from marketing to massage therapy during the pandemic
• Her personal struggle with PCOS and finding traditional womb care practices
• Learning Sobada de Matriz (Mayan uterine massage) from teachers in LA and Mexico
• The concept of "frialdad" (cold womb) and its effects on fertility and wellbeing
• Traditional closing of the hips (cierre de caderas) and herbal medicine practices
• The importance of balancing masculine and feminine energy for conception
• How connecting clients directly with their own womb pulse creates empowerment
• The wisdom of divine timing in fertility journeys

✨ Visit Erika's website at sacredwombtherapeutics.com for in-person sessions in Denver or virtual consultations to learn self-womb massage techniques. Follow her on instagram @sacredwombtherapeutics for all things womb nurturing ❣️

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Mitchell:

Welcome to Facilitated, where we bring you real stories, strategies and science from the world of functional medicine. I'm Dr Mitchell Rasmussen, a functional medicine practitioner.

Kate:

And I'm Kate Daugherty, a certified nutritionist. We are the owners of the Facility, a functional medicine clinic here in Denver, Colorado.

Mitchell:

We help people improve their biology and get out of their own way. We help people improve their biology and get out of their own way. In my view, our work is about getting to know the person with the condition much more than it's about understanding which condition the person has. As I always say, diagnose the biology, not the disease.

Kate:

On this podcast. We break down complex health topics, share real patient cases anonymized, of course and explore cutting-edge wellness strategies so you can make informed decisions about your health. Quick heads up before we dive in this podcast is for education and general information only. We're here to share insights, not to diagnose or treat. So if you're dealing with a health issue, chat with a qualified healthcare provider before making any changes. All right, let's get into it. This episode is for the ladies. When was the last time you really thought about your womb? Today, we are diving into the fascinating world of womb care with my guest, erica Perez. She is a fertility massage therapist here in Denver who blends ancient traditions with modern support. Erica recently visited Mexico, where she learned traditional Mayan techniques like Sobara de Matriz and Sierra de Caderas, along with herbal medicine practices that have been passed down for generations. We're talking about fertility healing and what it means to truly slow down and listen to your body, whether you're preparing for pregnancy, dealing with painful periods or simply wanting to reconnect with yourself.

Erika:

It's wild. I have no concept of time anymore. Every day just kind of runs together and I'm like what year are we in?

Kate:

I know but we met at our old clinic in Cherry Creek. Yes, you had randomly responded to like a room opening a room rental opening. I didn't even know it was live, and then you popped into my inbox that's so, that's so funny.

Erika:

I know.

Kate:

And you were so honest. You were like, hey, I'm looking for a transition space, I want to start my own thing, but I need somewhere to practice in the meantime. Will that work for you? Yeah, the minute I met you, it was a yes. I remember our first conversation Because you have like an aura, you have like an energy and I wanted you to be there in whatever capacity.

Erika:

Yeah, and I felt the same way about you and Mitchell, like y'all's energy. I was like, oh, these people are just so genuine and I really enjoyed working there while I did. Yes, it was a short little, I know a little spurt.

Kate:

Yeah, I got to see you a couple of days treating some patients. Do you refer to them as patients or clients? Clients, clurt, yeah, I got to see you a couple of days treating some patients. Do you refer to them as patients or clients? Clients?

Mitchell:

Clients.

Kate:

Okay, and then you blossomed.

Erika:

Yeah, I really feel like after I left the facility, I found my voice and my niche and who I wanted to focus on because of my own journey.

Kate:

Tell me a little bit about how you got into massage and then further got into fertility prenatal yes.

Erika:

All of it. So it's a funny story. So my background is actually in marketing. I graduated with a marketing degree and, fast forward to 2020, when everybody else was also rethinking their entire life, I decided I wanted to leave that job that I was in and really focus on health and wellness. So at that time, I decided to do my yoga teacher training, and literally a month after I signed up for the yoga teacher training and had quit my job, covid hit and I was like, oh, this is perfect timing, and so my yoga teacher training ended up being around two long, and at the end of the certification, I started looking for a job that would align with my long-term goals and I found an opening for a marketing manager for a massage school. Oh, great, yeah. And I was like, wow, massage seems like it would go hand in hand with yoga, and so I applied, got the job, and a huge perk of working for the massage school was that I got to go to massage school for free.

Erika:

So, that saved like $10,000. And going to massage school changed my life. So it not only complemented yoga, but I got to learn about traditional Chinese medicine, kinesiology, anatomy, all the things that had to do with the body and how it works. And so I I knew in that moment I was on the right path and I was like, wow, this is great. Long term, I would love to combine these two practices and make something of it. I didn't know what I wanted to do at the time, so I worked with massage school for a couple of years, met my now husband, decided to move to Denver, and when we moved here, I got a new marketing job just to, just to help with a transition. You know, that's what I knew, so that's what I was going to do while we found our footing and settle into a new city with like no friends no family here.

Erika:

And it was. It was a marketing position for a school and at the end of the school year I was like I can't come back. I think marketing at that point didn't feel as exciting for me and my heart was still set on focusing on health and wellness, yoga, massage and all the things. And so I told my husband I want to make that transition into massage therapy and yoga. And he was like you have my full support, do what you need to do. So that's when I decided to focus on offering massage. I found the facility your room rental posting and that's where I got my start in my business.

Erika:

I was like I have a space, come see me. And around this time my husband and I we had just gotten, we were married, maybe just like a handful of months. And we were thinking just like a handful of months and we were. We were thinking, let's start family. Like, why not? Like we're married now, you know we can, we can start doing the baby dance without any protection. And and so we were very excited and after a few months of trying and us not getting a positive pregnancy or anything, you know, we were both like wait a minute, what do you mean? We're not pregnant. We've been having unprotected Can I say sex? Yes, you can say it, we've been having unprotected sex. And at that point he and I grew up with our families both telling us don't have sex.

Kate:

Don't do it. As soon as you do it, it's going to happen. Yes, exactly.

Erika:

So, when it wasn't happening, we were like it blew our mind, yeah, and so then, naturally, I went down a rabbit hole of trying to figure out what was going on. I was seeing a fertility acupuncturist, I met with y'all for lab work and then I ended up getting an ultrasound from it, from my OBGYN, and it wasn't until I got the ultrasound that wait hold on like. So I got an ultrasound from my OB and in the ultrasound, that's where you could see there were too many follicles on each of my ovaries. And although, like, I cried and I was a little hurt know, because nobody wants to be told there's something wrong with you, right, and even though I was hurt, at the same time I was really relieved. I was like, ok, like I powerful, yes, yes. And. And so at that moment I was like OK, what, what can I do for this specific PCOS condition that I wasn't familiar with as much? So I learned as much as I could and started changing my lifestyle specifically for that.

Erika:

Up until that point, based off of everything that I've just shared, I was going through a career transition. We had just moved to a new city. I wasn't sleeping well, you know. I was stressed about starting a business and you know, in retrospect I'm like, well, yeah, no wonder I wasn't getting pregnant. Literally, my body's like woman, like you're doing way too much right now. We're not gonna, we're not gonna make space for a baby, we're not ready yet. Um, and so I remember one of the defining moments, for you know, um, that helped me decide that I wanted to focus on fertility, prenatal and postpartum um was that during that, during that journey, I sought out like a support group for fertility. I was like, okay, I can't be the only one struggling with this, like there has to be other other womb holders. And I couldn't find a support group. I found like a general women's circle and I was like, okay, well, let's check this out, maybe I can find what I need here.

Erika:

And unfortunately, when I attended the circle, um, the host was very kind, very sweet, and she said OK, we're going to go around and introduce ourselves. We have some new attendees, and the first woman to speak announced that she was pregnant. I was like this is not where I should be right now. I was literally fighting back tears. I was like thinking I just want to get up and walk out. Yeah, you know, I had to sit there and I was like the fourth woman after her to speak and I just broke down and I looked at her and I told her I'm so happy for you. And I looked at her and I told her I'm so happy for you.

Erika:

But I came to the circle because I'm actually struggling to conceive and when she spoke, the whole room erupted into cheering Right and I'm just sitting there like, oh no. And when I spoke, the room fell silent because literally they just celebrated this woman. And now I'm coming to the circle, and so it was a very difficult but defining moment for me. So I left that circle, knowing that I wanted to provide a space for women going through what I was going through, yes, and so, with massage therapy, I looked up okay, because I had heard about my abdominal massage. And so while I was researching my abdominal massage, I ended up finding Sobada de Matriz, which I had never heard of. I was like, what's this? So I ended up landing on a podcast where my teacher was being interviewed about the practice. I was like, who is this woman? I need to go learn from her.

Erika:

So she's in LA. I flew to LA, learned how to connect with this space Just me myself and I, like I had never connected with this area. I was like, wow, this is fascinating.

Kate:

It's like selfish exploration with the intention of people need this.

Erika:

Yes, yes, exactly. And so at the end it was like a three-day workshop. And the last day, before leaving, my teacher came over to me. There were like 15 of us and all of us needed an adjustment. All of us had our womb, or uterus was tipped, dropped, retroverted, you name it. There were 15 of us and every single one of us needed an adjustment.

Erika:

So she came over to me and I was like I'm touching, but I don't know what I'm feeling for it. There was just no connection. So she was really kind, really patient. She put her hands over my womb space, palpated for my uterus, had me feel the pulse of my uterus. I was like whoa, that's wild. And then she helped me find my ovaries and she was like right here, put your fingertip here, it's very light, this is your ovary. And I was like, oh, my gosh, like I have like little heartbeats down here.

Erika:

And so then she proceeded to tell me you have a matriz caída, which is a in English. It's fallen womb, a dropped uterus. And she said mine was dropped and tilted over to the right side. And she was like she told me we're going to do an adjustment. I was like, okay. So I was laying on my back and we had already warmed up the space. She literally cups my uterus and pulls it up into where it's supposed to be, and mine was so dropped and tilted that there was an audible pop. Yes, and my whole body jolted up and my eyes shot open because as soon as I heard the pop, I was like, oh, my god, what just happened? I'm gonna have to go to the emergency room like you start freaking out, because it's just not. This is not a practice.

Erika:

that you're you've heard about you're, yes, familiar with nothing, but when I stood up, I felt my fingertips tingling with energy and for the first time, I felt home in my body, and before that moment I didn't even realize that I didn't feel centered.

Kate:

It was such a wild feeling, and this is coming from a yogi massage therapist who is, like so in touch with everything, so this had to be mind-blowing. I'm like, oh, I've done the work.

Erika:

I am, you know, centered, my chakras are aligned, and when she adjusted my uterus and put my uterus in the center, I was like, wow, I feel centered, that, that feeling that yogis talk about being centered. Um, and yes, like massage therapy teaches us to massage muscles, but the interesting part is that I never learned how to touch the, the abdominal space, in massage school. It was very much the extremities, and so I left. I flew back to Denver after that weekend and I told my husband this is what I want to do, this is what I want to focus on with my massage practice. So I ended up booking another flight, flew back to LA two months later to learn how to work on other people, other people, and it's. It's cool to see how life plays out, because in every moment you don't know why you're learning the things that you're learning. You're just like, okay, I'm going to learn this or whatever. And so, going to that second training, I don't think that I would be able to have come back to provide this practice without having gone to massage school.

Kate:

Everything builds on it.

Erika:

Yes, and I don't think that I would have been able to start my business and for it to um have grown the way that it's grown without my marketing background. So it's just always really like fascinating, like, oh okay, so that's why I went to, you know, massage school and that's why I got my degree in marketing. So, yes, after learning how to work on others, I came back, I started my business with a focus in not only fertility but prenatal and postpartum care, and that's what I've been doing for the past year and a half now which is wild.

Kate:

You're going to have to say this again, because once people go back and hear the intro and then hear you say it, they're going to Okay. I say Sobata de Matris, okay, got it. So I want to hear about this trip to Mexico and learning some of the traditional techniques. Tell me about that experience and what really drove you to go there.

Erika:

Yes. So learning from my teacher in LA was amazing. She comes from a line of traditional birth workers, but I wanted to go directly to the source. So after a year of doing this work, the timing just aligned so that I could take off. You know, I had saved enough money and I was like OK, I'm going to go to Mexico, I'm going to learn from the source.

Kate:

Deepen your understanding like the constant education, the constant learning, the constant bettering.

Erika:

Yes, exactly Because I definitely believe in always improving your practice. There's just always so much more you could learn.

Mitchell:

It never ends.

Erika:

Life is just always so much more you could learn. Right, it never ends. Life is just a journey of learning, and so I had a friend who shared information about an upcoming workshop with a traditional midwife and I pulled the trigger. I was like, all right, I'm going to Mexico, let's do it. Flew there Alone, yes, alone. I know my mother freaked out.

Erika:

I was like all right, I'm going to Mexico, let's do it. Flew there Alone. Yes, alone. I know my mother freaked out. She was like what do you mean? You're going alone. And I was like mom, I've gone to India twice by myself. I lived in India for two months total, alone. You know, I was like I'm totally fine, I'll be fine. So I flew to Mexico. It was a very long journey. I landed in Cancun, had to take like a four or five hour bus ride to Merida and then from Merida.

Kate:

It was still an hour into the jungle like a little village.

Erika:

Yes, and there's it. I mean it's it was. They have the bare minimum. I had to shower out of a bucket of water with water that was heated over a stove, so I roughed it for four days, but it was so worth it.

Erika:

Rafita, my teacher there in Mexico, and her daughter Mari, were so kind, so welcoming. It honestly felt as if I were working with family. Rafita felt like my grandmother, and so they not only told us, or they not only showed us, how to do which is the Mayan version of Soba de Matriz, they also taught us how to do cierre de caderas, which is closing of the bones, closing of the hips, closing of the bones, and along with how to use specific herbs for fertility, which is really amazing, and it was a life-changing experience, and going to learn from the source was just so magical. You have Rafita, who is a traditional midwife who's been doing this work for 40 years helping women. I think she's helped almost 800 babies come through earth side. Yes, and while we were there, she was actually able to do a sobada on a pregnant woman, which I like. I'm not saying, you know, body workers should try this at all. Ever I'm not even going to try that myself because it just I just wouldn't want to risk it.

Kate:

So this is that manipulation of the uterus.

Erika:

Yes, yeah, and the woman, she was already, I think, in her second trimester. But what happened during her first trimester, with all the nausea, she was vomiting, and that force when we vomit on her pelvic floor caused her uterus to drop, matriz caída. And so she came to see Rafita while we were all there, so we got to witness the adjustment. She came to see Rafita so that Rafita could actually lift her uterus back into place, and when she did the uterine adjustment, my jaw dropped. I was like what did I just witness? I was like what did I just witness? But it just goes to show you the difference, I guess in Mexican traditional medicine versus Western medicine.

Kate:

Pregnancy is treated as such a fragile condition here?

Erika:

Yes, yes, yeah, condition here yes, yes, yeah. I mean again, like even in massage school, we were taught prenatal massage. For maybe like one day, and it was very vague. They just told us, oh, don't touch these certain points in the wrists or the ankles. And then it wasn't until I did my advanced prenatal training that I was taught there's hardly anything that I can do that will cause a person to go into labor and then, witnessing Rafita do the uterine adjustment while this woman is pregnant, it just blew my.

Kate:

I was like, okay, I don't have to worry about giving a woman a massage, yes, so there are a few other practices all in this bucket of womb care that sure have a role in fertility, but also in other conditions fibroids, pcos, endometriosis where you can offer so much support that these women. Again, we just don't have awareness, which limits access because of the lack of awareness of it. But tell me a little bit about these other womb care practices, about even heat building in your womb.

Erika:

And then when I, when I got into my practice and I started learning from my teachers, and then especially my last trip to Mexico, there's so much emphasis on the warmth of your womb and when I do a sobada de matriz for my clients, every womb is so different. But I want to say almost 95% of my clients have a cold womb and you can actually feel the difference in temperature. It's very subtle, but if you place your hand over the liver, over the stomach, and then you place your hand over the where the uterus is, you can actually feel the temperature change and the uterus for all my clients has been cold and for myself as well. After I started connecting with my womb space and giving my own massages, I had a cold patch directly over where my uterus is and it took about six months of not only womb massage but doing yoga and and you know not only walking but also eating warming foods, which is a huge part of Mexican traditional medicine. It's actually also practiced in Ayurveda and traditional Chinese medicine, which is completely fascinating.

Erika:

Sounds like there's something to this. Yes, you know, you have these three different parts of the world nowhere near each other, and they all believe in the same thing, in the same thing. And so in Mexican traditional medicine, a cold womb is called frialdad. You have coldness in your womb, and a way to to warm up and bring warmth back to your womb space is through self-womb massage, is through getting a uterine adjustment to bring your uterus back to the center, because, when you think about it, if your uterus is tipped over, it's compressing blood vessels fascia, everything's affected by that, and so blood isn't flowing optimally. When you bring it to the center, it's wild because you feel a difference. All of a sudden. You feel, wait a minute, is that blood circulating on this side, where it hasn't circulated in years? And so that's part of what makes this practice so impactful.

Kate:

And I love that. You've connected it with your own journey too. It gives you so much empathy. Yes, to your clients who are coming to you feeling the same way you felt in that circle. Yes, and now you are the home base.

Erika:

You know, again, referencing, we don't know why we go through something or we don't understand the experience until later. And I truly believe I went through what for their initial solada? And right off the bat they tell me oh, I read your story and that resonated with me, or I'm struggling and I've been struggling and it's so hard, and so we bond over that for sure.

Kate:

And it makes the celebrate, it gives a different lens to the celebration. When there is a celebration, yes, definitely, sure, positive pregnancy test celebration, but even how I'm feeling so much warmth compared to last session yeah, those minor celebrations you can share in them, with them yeah, one of one of the.

Erika:

So when a client comes in for their initial soba de matriz, we spend the first half of that hour going over their, their womb journey. Okay, tell me about your periods. Tell me how they were when you first got your first period. Tell me what they're like now. Tell me your lifestyle. What are you eating, how are you sleeping? All because soada matriz is, you know, a massage for your uterus, for your womb space. But just like how, just how? Uh, just like how my teacher Rafita told me you can do this practice for your clients, but they also have to do the work at home.

Erika:

It's. It's not going to work as well without that, without the lifestyle change as well. And so when they come in, we talk about what their lifestyle is, and then, when I do the womb massage for them, I take their hands and I have them feel the temperature change. Tell me what you feel on this side versus the other side. Feel your liver Can you feel how hard it is compared to your stomach, or vice versa? And then, just how my first teacher, pankit Sani, had me feel for my pulse in my uterus, in my ovaries, I do the same for them, and one of the most beautiful moments to witness with my clients is the moment they feel the pulse in their uterus or their ovaries. Their eyes shoot open and they're like, oh my gosh. I feel that, and so bringing, I guess, having them connect with their own womb space on their fertility journey, or just like in their womb care journey in general, is so vital for for their journey it.

Kate:

It puts you into the role of facilitator and educator. Not, you need me, yes.

Erika:

Right, yes.

Kate:

And it creates this like web. You teach one person, it opens their eyes, they share with others and it's this ripple effect. We talk about ripple effect but it's this expansion of I'm not trying to do it for you, of I'm not trying to do it for you, I'm not trying to be this magic worker magic healer, I'm trying to facilitate so that you can take control and take power of your own health?

Erika:

A thousand percent. Yes, our ancestors did these practices because they understood not only physically how the body works, but energetically and emotionally. And in Mexican traditional medicine, when a person is having trouble conceiving, a big part of the practices well, how? How are you feeling emotionally? And my teacher, rafita, and her daughter Mari, in Mexico, part of the training, they emphasized masculine and feminine energy and they told us that a lot of women in America are having trouble conceiving because we are, we are, we are.

Erika:

What am I trying to say? We are too much in our masculine and we have to reconnect to our feminine. We have to find the balance because not one energy isn't better than the other. We need both. But women, when it comes to fertility, if we're too in our masculine, we most likely are having trouble connecting to our body, to our heart. Connecting to our body, to our heart, listening to the voice of our womb, like, what is it that my body needs? You know, and and I love data and I think it's so helpful to understand numbers and like what your labs are telling you. And I have so many clients who come in and and they've got their labs and they they, you know, understand numbers and they're taking the supplements that they need, but they're so wrapped up in the information part that they're not paying attention to. Okay, like am I to? To how their, how their breath feels it becomes a stressor.

Kate:

Yes, yeah, and it's. It doesn't have to be this or that. Yes, it's both. Yes, it's. How can we pull them both together? And you've seen this and you talked about this at the very beginning in your own journey. It's okay, the Western. Here's the ultrasound information on paper. You went way deeper into how can I support this energetically, physically, non-conventionally, because I know what they're going to tell you with a PCOS diagnosis at your gynecologist. Yep, it's not helpful. Yeah, unfortunately, yeah, unfortunately, yeah, and so it is. It's this blending of energetically where am I at Physically, hands-on, physically, where am I at? But also the data points of okay, here's where we can rationally kind of track. Yes, but it doesn't have to be the focus.

Erika:

Right, right, exactly yes, because, again, when you think of data, it doesn't have to be the focus. Right, right, exactly yes, because, again, when you think of of data, it's like very masculine. Okay, numbers, okay, logically, what does this mean? Statistically, you know what does this mean and then you know, you do you do the work that you need to do based off your labs, but where's? Where's the emotional? Are you doing things that actually bring you joy? And again, very fascinating, in mexican traditional medicine and traditional chinese medicine and ayurveda all believe that your heart has to be ready to conceive, you have to be in a state of joy and abundance and you have to call in that energy for yourself, otherwise you're going to struggle for a long time.

Kate:

Well, one pretty impactful thing I've heard you say, or maybe type and post you very much believe in the timing. Yes, yes, when the timing is right.

Erika:

Yes. So, speaking about data and doing the energetic work and these traditional practices, in my own journey, my husband and I, I was pretty laser focused our first year of trying. Laser focused our first year of trying, you know, going to my appointments for acupuncture and logging my BBT temps and doing all the things that I should quote, unquote should be doing. And then, I think, at the six month mark, my husband was like babe, this isn't fun anymore. Yes, it turned into like into like, okay, I'm ovulating. Okay, we have to do it now. And there was no. Okay, let's just, let's just go with the flow, right, I was very much yes enjoy, yeah, our first few years of being married.

Erika:

I know I was so caught up in like, okay, I want to have a baby, let's do what we need to. We need to want to have a baby, let's do what we need to we need to do to have a baby. And then I finally, you know, once we had that conversation, I felt terrible. I was like I'm so sorry that you feel like you're just being used at that point, and so then I stepped away from from that approach because obviously that wasn't working. And then I started slowly bringing presence back into my life, especially after talking with you and Mitchell, because y'all, y'all are so great about making or suggesting lifestyle changes that are very simple. You know, like I remember Mitchell recommending the I think it's the box breathing. Is that the method? That, yes and um, so slowly on my journey I've been bringing in presents and you know I've been having success with my clients who have been implementing lifestyle changes along with doing their cell phone massage. But now this whole year of us not intentionally trying but not trying, and for us still not getting pregnant, and I feel like this year I'm in a better space stress-wise. When I decided to go to Mexico I was thinking to myself okay, I'm going to go to learn. But also we've been trying for another six months, like unintentionally, and we're still not pregnant. And when I went to Mexico, there were seven other women who were doing the workshop with me and every single one of them got their uterine adjustment before me. I was so nervous that I wanted to be the last one. I was like no, I'm just going to let everybody go first, because I I was nervous for her, for Rafita to tell me oh, your matrice is caída, which I've.

Erika:

At that point I had been working on so hard and, like I said, I had a very, a very cold patch over my womb, but at that point I had already brought warmth back, like my uterine pulse is strong, it's no longer cold, but I still had this fear that there was something off right because I'm still not pregnant, and so I was the last one to hop on the table. Rafita came over, felt around my womb space and literally after like a few rounds of feeling my intestines and my uterus, she was like I don't need anything of feeling my intestines and my uterus. She was like I no necesitas nada, you don't need anything. And like my eyes opened and I was like wow, really. And she said your uterus is right here in the center, where it should be, you don't have inflammation, your intestines are in the center. And then she told all the other women come over and feel this is how your uterus. You're the example. Yes, I was the example.

Erika:

And I felt such a huge rush of relief. And then, at the same time, I was like so then, why am I not pregnant? And so at the end of the workshop, we did our closing ceremony and I hadn't shared my fertility journey with anyone. And so at that point, when I finally told him I'm here not only because I wanted to learn, but also my husband and I we've been on our fertility journey for a while and I'm not pregnant yet, and I don't know why. And Rafita so sweetly turned to me and she said in Spanish, but I'll say it in English, but she said you're, there's nothing wrong with your womb, it's where it should be, it's perfect.

Erika:

If you're not pregnant yet, it's because it's not time. It's not and oh my goodness, goodness, I just I needed to hear that so bad. And when I came home, I just came home with so much peace and I and I knew you know, I I believe in timing, but I feel like I needed to hear that from somebody else. And hearing it from Rafita, after checking my own womb space and her telling me it's just not time was so reassuring.

Kate:

And something a lot of women do need to hear. Yes, and it's even in your career journey. You recognize this and I think it will be something you look back and recognize. But the opportunities you've had in the last year two years because you haven't gotten pregnant yet is so important, like all that learning, being able to go to LA and go to Mexico and get that deep understanding for your practice and for your clients. Yeah, yeah, there is. We have to hold on to that.

Mitchell:

Yeah, we have to hold on to that timing For sure.

Kate:

Yeah, I love it. Okay, let's. Uh, we could sit here and talk forever know, yes, I could definitely care all day want to make sure people can connect with you yeah you have a great Instagram thank you, I love following you. I love getting quick tips and and seeing your progression and your development because you're so raw in. Hey, I just found this out and it is so cool.

Kate:

And it's so like you're constantly updating which I love to watch, but then how can people work with you here in Denver? Or if they're not in Denver, what opportunities do you have?

Erika:

Yeah, so if you're in Denver, you can check out all of my in-person offerings on my website, wwwsacredwombtherapeuticscom, and if you're not in Denver, I offer virtual consultations and then I also teach in those consultations how to do self-womb massage, how to do castor oil packs, how to do yoni steaming, and then also provide some guidance when it comes to lifestyle, nutrition, lifestyle and nutrition. But I this is one thing, because everyone's so used to seeing all this information about supplements and what you should be taking to increase your fertility and my clients after session they always ask was there something that I can take that you recommend? And I always tell them that I don't. I don't recommend because I don't know what you need, and I highly recommend that you go and you get your labs to find out what your body needs, because what your body needs is going to be completely different from what my body needs. Yes, and so that's why I love the facility and what you do and what you provide. That compliment.

Kate:

Yes, and I would say the same thing. It's like a supplement is going to do nothing if the foundation isn't there.

Erika:

Right, yes, exactly, yeah. I feel like that's just America in a nutshell, like what one thing can I do to get the result?

Kate:

Yes, easy and the fastest way to get there. Yes, no, no, no, we are on the deep, slow medicine train. Yes we are. Yes, I love it. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you, kate, I loved it. Oh, my gosh same, gosh same. For more about what we do at the facility, check out our website, wwwthefacilitydenvercom. You can also follow us on Instagram at the facility Denver for extra tips behind the scenes, fun and updates on new episodes. Thanks for listening. Now go facilitate your own health and we'll see you next time.