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39| Inside The Supplement Industrial Complex: What Works, What’s Waste, And How To Choose Wisely

• The Facility Denver • Episode 38

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We challenge the supplement industrial complex, break down why “pixie dust” formulas fail, and show how lifestyle and targeted dosing beat hype-driven stacks. Real cases, clear criteria, and lab-guided choices replace guesswork and marketing noise.

• why proprietary blends underdose key actives
• difference between symptom chasing and root cause work
• when supplements help and when lifestyle must lead
• how to evaluate brands, testing, and transparency
• pitfalls of buying on marketplaces and retail shelves
• practical at-home audit for your current stack
• dosing, forms, and timing that actually matter
• using labs to personalize and then taper support
• why more is not better

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SPEAKER_00:

Welcome to Facilitated, where we bring you real stories, strategies, and science from the world of functional medicine. I'm Dr. Mitchell Rasmussen, a functional medicine practitioner.

SPEAKER_03:

And I'm Kate Darty, a certified nutritionist. We are the owners of the facility, a functional medicine clinic here in Denver, Colorado.

SPEAKER_00:

We help people improve their biology and get out of their own way. In my view, our work is about getting to know the person with the condition much more than it's about understanding which condition the person has. As I always say, diagnose the biology, not the disease.

SPEAKER_03:

On this podcast, we break down complex health topics, share real patient cases, anonymized, of course, and explore cutting-edge wellness strategies so you can make informed decisions about your health. Quick heads up before we dive in. We're here to share insights, not to diagnose or treat. So if you're dealing with a health issue, chat with a qualified healthcare provider before making any changes. All right, let's get into it.

SPEAKER_02:

Hi.

SPEAKER_00:

What is your take on ugly sweaters?

SPEAKER_03:

What is my take on them?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. I don't because we I had to wear one last night. Wasn't wasn't super thrilled with it. Christine picked it up. We were surprising a friend for her birthday, and we all had to wear ugly sweaters. I had to walk downtown Denver wearing a sweater with four koozies on it.

SPEAKER_03:

It's kind of funny.

SPEAKER_00:

I guess, but like Christine's was like cutesy kind. Mine is cutesy too. Yeah, and I was like, you left me hanging. I'm now walking down like Laramer Square looking like a Did you put anything in them?

SPEAKER_03:

There is just empty cell phone wallet.

SPEAKER_00:

I had a couple things in it, but yeah, we went to this like pop-up Christmas holiday restaurant at a place downtown. But yeah, the worst part was just having to then we walk into this restaurant, everyone's dressed so nice. It was like a nice place. And we were the the group of morons wearing ugly sweaters.

SPEAKER_03:

What I think is funny, I don't know if this was a thing. I don't know, 10, 20 years ago. But now it's like we all have an ugly sweater, and we have this like ugly like box of stuff that we wear once.

SPEAKER_00:

Once. And it's a cottage industry.

SPEAKER_03:

It's like we're adult. I have a dress-up box in my basement, and it's like my ugly sweater, a Thanksgiving shirt.

SPEAKER_00:

It's like so do you always take it out toward the end of the year? Because it seems like these are really backloaded in the year.

SPEAKER_03:

These well, I mean, I have like Fourth of July stuff in there. Like Ugly Fourth of July? No. Oh.

SPEAKER_00:

What would you wear for Fourth of July?

SPEAKER_03:

I have like a red, white, and blue. I think I have a tutu, I have a shirt that has the red, white, and blue. Like I only wear it on the Fourth of July or Memorial Day or Labor Day.

SPEAKER_00:

But these sweaters are a waste of money. Like, I like why why did we pick an industry where it takes so much effort? We could have picked an industry where we just whoops, that's horrible. Great, more money. Like it's a wild thing to want to create. Like, how did it start? How did uh deciding to look like an absolute moron on purpose become a thing?

SPEAKER_03:

Frat parties.

SPEAKER_00:

I guess. But yeah, so now I've attended my first ugly sweater party. Usually I'm the guy that well, I didn't buy the sweater. Christine had to dress me. Yes. Now I got one, I'm part of it. I wonder how many ugly sweaters get worn once in return. Like, am I wearing a used ugly sweater?

SPEAKER_03:

Well, that's what I was gonna say, is the best ugly sweaters come from thrift stores.

SPEAKER_00:

I think that's where see Christine and I aren't those guys. Because I think a lot of the crew did go to the thrift store and we just we don't do that. Terms. Yeah, I'll probably wear it again soon.

SPEAKER_03:

For fun? Yeah. Okay. What is it called? The cost per wear. Get the cost per wear down.

SPEAKER_00:

That's a good point. Yeah, I'll probably start wearing it once a week. Pull into the rotation with my gray shirts and my blue button-ups that you seem to like to call out. You know, I have a closet full of clothes and I wear the same five things.

SPEAKER_03:

I was gonna say you could wear it for Christmas in July, but that's uh your birthday.

SPEAKER_00:

I'd have to cut the sleeves off. I could.

SPEAKER_03:

You wanna celebrate Christmas on your birthday?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I mean July 25th. Great. Well, thank you for that. I feel better.

SPEAKER_03:

What do you want to talk about today?

SPEAKER_00:

Well, we were gonna I think talk about something that we continually talk about with people we work with and why we I think the context of today's conversation is also why we don't necessarily trust a bunch of companies when it comes to supplements. You know, we frequently have this conversation about don't buy your stuff on Amazon, and it's not so that we can make four dollars off your vitamin.

SPEAKER_03:

I know I I love that a patient point blank asks asked us that. Why do you not want me to buy on Amazon? Is it because you want me to make want to make money on our on my purchase? No, it's because we want you to get high quality stuff.

SPEAKER_00:

It's just like if I write out a treatment plan and six weeks in you tell me that your fatigue isn't better and you're not sleeping better, and then we go through, okay, you had a month worth of these products, how much do you have left? Oh, half a bottle. It's like, well, if you're not taking, if you're not doing what we ask, it's I can't really predict your outcomes. The same thing is if you try to save. I mean, we have people that say, like, oh, I saved two dollars. It's like, oh, and you got a counterfeit from China, right? Potentially. There's been plenty of uh people that have looked into this and actually tested products, bought off Amazon, and a huge number of them are counterfeit. On top of that, we pretty much everyone that buys stuff with us gets a discount. We literally take the money out of our pockets, right? Which people we don't even tell people. Like, oh, I can give you a discount. It's like, yeah, I can buy these for you, essentially.

SPEAKER_03:

But let's back up. I think people assume that because we're in functional medicine, we just love supplements. We use them, of course. But we also recognize that the supplement industry itself has kind of gotten out of hand.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I mean, even a lot of products that are built based on uh cell studies or animal studies that don't necessarily stack up in the real world. That being said, if things are proven as non-harmful, sometimes clinically we have to stay ahead of the curve because it takes a long time for research on natural things to come out. And also, you see, a lot of the stuff we give people is literally to correct baseline insufficiencies because of people's poor lifestyle habits and their diet. How often do you hear me trying to barter with somebody? I can make the supplement plan a lot simpler if you're only willing to if you're willing to change, you know, eat oysters and eat seaweed, you know. Fish. Yeah. So we'd much rather get things from diet and lifestyle, of course, but we're in a pretty toxic, uh dirty, heavy metal, riddled world. So sometimes supplements are important.

SPEAKER_03:

Right.

SPEAKER_00:

What's that word at the top of your page there?

SPEAKER_03:

The supplement industrial complex. Yeah. I mean what has happened, and I'm seeing this on social media, I'm seeing this in patient questions as well. It's blends of things that can be marketed for a specific problem based on one small ingredient. So thinking about gut support simply because it has turmeric in it or hormone support because it has something like chase tree in it. Just because it says gut support or hormone support doesn't mean it's the right product for your gut or your hormones.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, newsflash, the gut. Are we talking about the mouth, the esophagus, the stomach, the liver, the pancreas, the gallbladder? Are we talking lower GI? Are we talking rectum? You know, so that's my big thing too, is like which area are we targeting? And that I think only comes from a good history and clinical knowledge.

SPEAKER_03:

Right. One of your favorite terms. Pixie dusting. It's where you'll see these formulas, a lot of times proprietary formulas, with a lot of ingredients that look impressive. 30 different things with fancy names, but when you look closer, the total blend of those might be something like 500 milligrams. That doesn't match what the research says is the therapeutic dose for one single ingredient within that whole blend.

SPEAKER_00:

And yeah, I mean, I'm thinking of a prime example. A lot of times, these famous people they sign on with certain products and they look so fancy on the label. And people ask us this about they send us supplements all the time. What do you think of this? And I will I'll give you a fair shake, I'll look into it. But I mean, I have it pulled up. This example I got a couple months ago from a gal. What do you think about it? I'm not going to name the product, but I broke it down for her, and I'm looking at the my biggest issue is this whole chunk of stuff within this product says cell rejuvenation technology with a number after it. 25 milligrams. First ingredient is berberine hydrochloride. Second ingredient is resveratrol, urolithin A. It's got some astaxanthin in it and spermidine, 25 milligrams total. If I'm giving somebody who has blood sugar dysregulation, elevated lipids, potentially gut dysbiosis, just berberine alone, we'd be dosing about a gram to a gram and a half a day. So that's a thousand to 1,500 milligrams a day. That is part of this blend that's 25 milligrams. Resveratrol is in it, part of this 25 milligrams. We would want to dose to at one to 200 milligrams just on that. I mean, there's examples all over the place. Urolithin A, it's an amazing product coming out for mitochondrial function, but we need 250 milligrams in every dose. And what we're seeing is this sexy-looking cell rejuvenation technology. All these ingredients that are probably one to four milligrams each, they're literally not going to do anything. My fear is you have these potentially efficacious ingredients, but because they were dosed so poorly, then you start to think, well, I'm broken, this didn't work for me, or my blood sugars are still high, or I'm still fatigued, berberine didn't work. Did berberine not work, or was the dosing strategy incompetent? Right. And it sucks because these companies are taking advantage of people.

SPEAKER_03:

Of course. And whether it's a celebrity, a doctor, an influencer, people are kind of following these protocols instead of individual plans. They're reaching for the next best thing to try. And they end up stacking all of these supplements. Really just chasing different symptoms. And oh, I'm still dealing with this, that didn't work, let me add this. And it it becomes this massive list. We see it on intake forms. One of the biggest questions to ask people is why are you taking this particular supplement? And we want them to be able to answer that.

SPEAKER_00:

But what do we we hear a lot of times? Oh, a trainer or my chiropractor or a friend told me it was really helpful for them. And I mean, I think people chasing how often do people remove supplements from their list? It's just kind of like taking medications where it's just you stack things on top of each other. You have so much noise now that who knows what's doing what. Right. So with these people, a lot of times we strip things down, and it's like, are you managing your parasympathetic tone? Are you connecting? Are you moving? Are you sweating? Are you sleeping? Let's work on those things and then let's take some labs and let's see where do we need to push.

SPEAKER_03:

Right. Stop trying to out-supplement the lifestyle.

SPEAKER_00:

Exactly.

SPEAKER_03:

There's a little bit of psychology behind it, too. Buying the next supplement, buying something feels like progress. Feels like it is a dopamine hit. Oh, this next thing is the thing that's gonna work. Click the button, ship, add it in. But again, it's like you're not changing the lifestyle habits, you're just adding a new pill or a new powder.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, yeah, this is like the biohacking mentality, right? I don't know if we should hack our biology so much as we should learn what's not working and uh remove the drivers. I mean, we see this with these people in these massive protocols they develop for themselves. They have, you know, they in there when we hear this, it's my thyroid, it's my blood sugar, it's my anxiety, it's my arthritis, it's my dysbiosis. When in all reality, maybe it's just you got mold illness and it's driving all of these, right? We we talk about that a lot. It's like, can we find the bigger levers to help remove them? And then you probably don't need so many scaffolds to hold your biology up.

SPEAKER_03:

Right. It can feel kind of scary at first to start stripping away those support system, those friends you've had around. Uh, but it's often a necessary part of it is let's start removing things and see what changes with the removal as much as what changes with an addition of something.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, and if we're just calling functional medicine, run a bunch of tests, take a bunch of supplements, that's what I'd call green medicine or green pharmac pharmacopy, if you will, where it's like a pill for every ill type situation.

SPEAKER_03:

We you again we use supplements, they have a place.

SPEAKER_00:

Sometimes too many, I'll be honest. But I explain that to them. Like, I don't like where we're at. I say that a lot, like I don't enjoy this, but again, you you've got a parent or a spouse that you're caring for, your job is unrelenting, and all these things. So, like, yeah, maybe you do need a you know herbal adrenal support. And I'd love it if you could go to yoga three times a week and and get in the sauna and things, but sometimes that's that isn't realistic. But we we try to always have that conversation with people. Like, here's the places that if you're willing to change X, Y, and Z, we can remove this entire chunk of support. Right? We use supplements to try to change and influence biology, but a lot of times, here's the punchline. You could get that from a lifestyle change, right? But what do I like oysters? That's where I, you know, hey, I'm willing to do a lot. I'm not eating oysters, so yeah, whatever. I take a sync copper supplement, and I explain that to people. Like, I'm I'm not willing to eat oysters, I'm just not. Right.

SPEAKER_03:

And who who I think this is such a powerful conversation we had with um who was it about the the fire hose drinking from the fire hose example.

SPEAKER_00:

I don't know. I started saying that though.

SPEAKER_03:

It was at Quicksilver with uh it might have been Dr.

SPEAKER_00:

Turnpaw. It was yeah, it was Dr. Turnpaw.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. How the supplement plan at the beginning is yes, absolutely like drinking from a fire hose, so that in the future you can sip from a water fountain.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, if you imagine, you know, most people that come to see us, they're not coming to see us for optimization. They're coming to see us because they do have. I mean, sometimes I'm not I'm not lying, sometimes a list of over a hundred different symptoms.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

And then we take blood work and we see multiple systems in the body just not talking well, nutrient depletion across the board, toxicity, mold, whatever it is, we see all these things, and sometimes people try to bargain with me, like, well, what two supplements are the most important thing? And I've learned to say partly that was the Dr. Turnpaw lecture where look, if this is a stool that has 25 legs on it, and it has to stand, you have to have at least like 17 of them in place in order for it to stand, and you're only repairing one leg at a time, you're essentially passing the problem back and forth. Like a good example is if you have sinus, uh, if you have like an infection or a dysbiosis in your sinus cavity and you have lower GI stuff or mold, my fear is we attack one, the system clears up in one area, but you literally pass the problem to the other hollow space. So sometimes we do have to attack multiple things at once, but that conversation is always here is my plan to get you off of these things.

SPEAKER_03:

Right. It's we're constantly asking, how can we get you off of this? What is the timeline for this? Are we ready? Have you established this lifestyle habit? Key example. Are you now eating fish three times a week so that we can start to back you off of the fish oil supplement?

SPEAKER_00:

Because we would much rather have you get your omegas from a whole food.

SPEAKER_03:

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00:

We know that it's much better for the body than taking fish oil.

unknown:

Right?

SPEAKER_00:

But think about that conversation we had with one of our distance clients last night who's got uh a genetic disease and also has eczema and really harsh periods, and she's 100% gluten-free now, periods, last two months, much better, but eczema is still an issue. Turns out, hasn't sweat in months. That was something we asked her to do. Uh, really struggling with fish and won't cut dairy out, even though we see so often dairy being a driver for eczema in my personal life, same thing. But that's a great example, and I think she got it. We're like, look, I can't pull back this these pro-resolving mediators that you're spending$80 a month on because you're still not laying the foundation, and she got it. That was really appreciated that she understood it, but it's like it's a nice little check in with people like, well, these are still in place because you're still not doing most of what we asked, right? And I what did she say at one point? She goes, Oh, so I'm getting a C minus with my effort. I said, No, what I think is going on is you're Working pretty hard, and you've gotten a lot better, but you are nowhere near where you should be, and I would say the effort matches the outcome. Right. Pretty often that's the case. Your outcomes will often match the effort you put into it over a the period of time that it takes to heal. Right.

SPEAKER_03:

Another question we get a lot is what brands we recommend or what that we use. We do have certain brands that we like a lot, mostly due to their formulations, the forms of vitamins or nutrients that they're using, the dosing that they're using, and how they put them together in blends, but also because of their customer service and transparency. But ultimately, we're not brand loyal. And really what we look for is transparency in testing, which speaks to the quality of ensuring that what's on the label is what you're actually getting.

SPEAKER_00:

Because as you probably know if you're listening, the supplement industry is unregulated by the federal government.

SPEAKER_03:

It's underregulated. There's a small amount of regulation.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, okay, the FDA is not, you know, regulating supplements. So that does not mean that supplements are inherently dangerous. It means you need to go to companies that are willing to pay a lot of money to have their individual products tested along multiple times in the process. And that then that's why things cost more when they're pharmaceutical grade. But yeah, I mean, I have people that buy things at Costco. One of my really good friends back home, we were just having a conversation last week. He's been a police officer for almost 20 years. And I mean, imagine what these humans are exposed to in 20 years. And he we were working on his sleep, and he went to Costco and he found a magnesium-three innate. And I remember I was kind of like, well, you gotta be careful. We need to make sure it's high quality. So I went on Costco's website. Sure enough, it's third-party tested, it has the exact dose, 144 milligrams that we would use in our in our clo clients, and it was a lot cheaper for him. So I was like, I'm fair. I was like, actually, hey man, this is perfectly fine. It's exactly what I'm looking for. But I just I can't guarantee that it is until we see what the company is willing to go through to ensure the quality of their products.

SPEAKER_03:

Right. We have we actually have a a blog post about this with the consumer industry, and there is a study, it was, I believe it was 2018. I'd have to double check that date, but looking at products on the shelf at real stores, uh it was GNC, it was Target, it was Walmart, and I believe it was CVS, it was a pharmacy type store, and they were testing these products on the shelves at these stores and showing the products were not matching what the label says. Amazon was included in there too, I forgot that one. Since 2018, things have shifted a little bit, especially with Amazon. Now there are specific Amazon stores for supplement companies. So let's say Thorn. Thorn has its own Amazon store, so you can know that when you're purchasing through Amazon, through the Thorn store, you were actually getting the Thorn products. That didn't exist in 2018 or whenever this study was published, so there were a lot more counterfeits on Amazon, but it still is a huge red flag that stores were selling on the shelves Target, GNC, Walmart, these products that didn't match what the label was.

SPEAKER_00:

It sucks because people, when they buy supplements, they're just trying to solve a problem. And that's what annoys me so bad is like you're putting the effort in, you're putting your hard-earned money. And again, you might, if it doesn't work, or maybe has things like heavy metals, arsenic things in it, then you may even be causing harm. And then again, we throw the baby out with the bathwater. Right. Right? And it just cracks me up that what is it? There's a company I see adds and it says the number one pharmacist recommended company.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh gosh.

SPEAKER_00:

And I'm not gonna call it up, but it's like a store-bought brand, and it is not third-party tested. No, and I'm like, pharmacists should be like some of the most stalwart individuals when it comes to gatekeeping or keeping these products out of people's hands, but it's what their their pharmacy, what's what the store where the pharmacy is carries.

SPEAKER_03:

Sure. And within every industry, you're gonna find somebody who's willing to put their credentials for a kickback. So number one pharmacist recommended could be any pharmacist says, This is my number one recommended product.

SPEAKER_00:

And they know and they don't even care about supplements, but sure, get your this company.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, yeah, that's funny. Yeah, pay me. There you go. I endorse it. Which I mean, I feel like we should talk about doctor recommended, doctor formulated products. It's been a few years.

SPEAKER_00:

Let's keep this diplomatic.

SPEAKER_03:

I'll do my best. Look, we worked with a couple chiropractors. They were chiropractors, they were exclusively in the physical chiropractic space. They were not doing functional medicine, they had no training in functional medicine, and they decided to start their own protein company. This protein company is now doctor-formulated protein on the label. I'm pretty sure it was like bold text within.

SPEAKER_00:

With two two people that don't even literally are not even trained in how to work somebody up or yeah. I mean, it's kind of scary.

SPEAKER_03:

Kind of scary, kind of comical, seeing it from our perspective. Yeah, this company is no longer in business.

SPEAKER_00:

I thought it was also funny that one of their one of the one of their blog posts was literally a phrase that I would say all the time and they claimed it is theirs, and I thought it was a good phrase. The blog post I think was like six words long.

SPEAKER_02:

What was the title?

SPEAKER_00:

It was like How Do You Out Supplement a Bad Diet?

SPEAKER_02:

Yes. What was this the whole subject or the whole line?

SPEAKER_00:

I think the title was longer than the blog. It was. I think it was you can't.

SPEAKER_02:

Yep.

SPEAKER_00:

That was the effort that went in. Um, and if you knew who was behind this, the other part that just cracked me up was it was a plant-based protein.

SPEAKER_02:

Yep.

SPEAKER_00:

And one of the individuals that was pushing it was vehemently against plants.

SPEAKER_02:

Yep.

SPEAKER_00:

Was literally eating like a carnivore diet. Yeah. So it's like, wow, that's really ethical. That's really honest. Promoting a product that you intrinsically would never promote for yourself. Yep. So that's wild times, man.

SPEAKER_03:

Little peek behind the curtain, and doctor formulated Chiropragers.

SPEAKER_00:

Come on, guys, we can do better.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh okay, so if you're listening and you're taking supplements right now, here's what we want you to do. Pull out every bottle and ask yourself, do I know why I'm taking this? Can I feel or measure a difference from it? And is it replacing a habit that I haven't built yet?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, and if and if you're unclear on those, maybe get some labs. Yep. You know, I I think a prime example, we've we've had we've we've literally had this happen. This isn't like when people say, like, tons of people have been asking me when nobody's been asking. We recently this year had somebody that was super, super sharp guy, but he was taking so many things, and we ran a vitamin D test. His vitamin D was like 148. Too high, way too high. And it was, I'm concerned about your blood calcium, I'm concerned about muscle function, uh, blood vessel function, all these things. Are you taking it with vitamin K2? All these things, but that's a prime example. If you're taking things, you need to be tracking stuff.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, and stop thinking that more is better. Even I would say, even in the water-soluble form, more is not always better.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, 100%. I mean, I to I talked with a gal, really smart nutritionist, and she was like overdosing on B3 and was getting some odd symptoms. We see this, and it's water soluble, right? But we've even seen this with certain forms of vitamin B6. Oh, B6 helps your sleep. Well, the wrong forms, if it's like the pyrodoxine hydrochloride, that can totally build up in in your body and lead to issues.

unknown:

Right.

SPEAKER_00:

If you're taking, you know, the doses that are in most of these products for energy.

SPEAKER_03:

Overdosing, underdosing, we see all all sides of the spectrum.

SPEAKER_00:

Taking things together when one impure impedes the absorption or function of the other. You know, that's why I'm not a big fan of multivitamins generally. I I do like to pull certain things away from other things to enhance absorption. People will come and well, I'm just taking everything right away in the morning. It's like, well, not really. Do you see that dosing schedule that I took 40 minutes to write out? There's a reason I put it how I did. And yes, it is hard, but uh having your 48 symptoms is I would say much more difficult. Fair. So you know, work with people who have an idea about how to why you take things, how to take them, how long, and then how to gauge if they're doing anything for you.

SPEAKER_03:

Right. Supplement industry isn't the enemy. Marketing and influencers are yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Do you think we'll do you think we'll eventually come up with our own stuff?

SPEAKER_03:

I don't know, possibly.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. I think the companies we're currently working with, I'm much less annoyed than I was six, seven years ago. I think product formulations are getting tighter, uh, things pulled out because that's usually my issue is it's hard to take certain products because there's overlap in the nutrients, and I think companies are listening to that. But I do, I just have a it would be fun to be able to create our own.

SPEAKER_03:

And I could I see us, I could see us being successful in it, meaning we would have very, very high quality products with formulas that we are confident in, we would always struggle to sell it without knowing the patient. We would do fine if they were our patient. We know your labs, we can confidently recommend this. We I don't think we're ever gonna be the people who say every person needs this, here's a multivitamin, take this, it will do no harm because we know we can't promise that.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

So that's where I think I don't know if going that direction is the best direction for us to go because we're not salespeople, we're not gonna market things that we could potentially cause harm, but we're confident in recommending our formulation to our patient under our care.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I mean, there's a company we use a lot of, there's an example like Dr. Ruccio. We don't make a penny off of this amazing product that he's built, and I mean we recommend it all the time because I think he's one of the guys that's really doing it right. He's got this triple probiotic that I've not found anything else on the market like it. So I mean you can do it right for sure. But I think it does change the we're human, and I would worry that it would like change the mentality around why we're giving things if we had such a skin in the game, and not because we're evildoers that want to get rich, but I think it's human nature. Yeah. And isn't that the same reason why we don't charge retail for lab work?

SPEAKER_03:

Right.

SPEAKER_00:

Because I never number one, I want the information, but number two, I don't ever want to be pulled to want to run something to make money on somebody. Right. Is that fair?

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, and I worry that that's just human nature that I think a lot of people get into these things wanting to do good, but then money can corrupt people.

SPEAKER_03:

Supplement industry at its heart.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Do you have like a nice outgoing pun or uh rhyme or anything?

SPEAKER_02:

No.

SPEAKER_00:

Really, the last one you told me was you brush the teeth you see and you floss the teeth you keep, and I think about it every day. Like that that that worked. Uh I still like that water pick. Me too. But you really you don't have a fun anecdote. Nope. Okay, well make sure you know why you're taking things.

SPEAKER_01:

I don't have anything. For more about what we do at the facility, check out our website at www.thefacilitydenver.com. You can also follow us on Instagram at the facility Denver for extra tips and behind the scenes fun and updates on new episodes. Thanks for listening now. Go facilitate your own health, and we'll see you next time.